Fehler #42412
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Snapshotting on Shadow and Affli. Bug in refresh effect from Pain and Suffering and Everlasting Afflication. (Discussion)
Beschreibung
Hallo,
Ich schreib das Ticket in Englisch, weil das auf Deutsch ein bisschen schwer zu erklären ist.
I have opened this thread since I’m fairly new to this server and want to start a discussion to perhaps unravel a, from what I can see, mystery (bug) in regards to the talents named in the subject.
It has come to my attention that there might be a problem on this server in regards to snapshotting 'Shadow Word: Pain' (Schattenword: Schmerz) and 'Corruption' (Verderbnis). Perhaps this is even the case for all snapshotting, but for said spells it is a realistic scenario.
From what I have been able to deduce, is that the refreshing effect of the Warlock and Priest talents https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=47582/pain-and-suffering and https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=47205/everlasting-affliction respectively, has a miss chance on RG. When this miss happens, the server returns a failed application (miss) of Corruption or Shadow Word: Pain respectively. This should not happen, and I have not seen this happen on any other servers or on classic/retail.
As you can see in the links above, the Flags for these talents are very clear that these effects do NOT have a chance to miss. If we then take a look at the RG DB version of these effects, we will find under Flags that these effects actually DO have a chance to miss (and crit for that matter) on RG.
Wowhead Retail Flags:
Passive spell
Aura is hidden
RG-Links:
https://db.rising-gods.de/?spell=47205#modifies (Hexertalent Immerwährende Gebrechen)
https://db.rising-gods.de/?spell=47582 (Priestertalent Schmerz und Leid)
RG Flags:
Kann im Kampf gewirkt werden
Chance, kritisch zu treffen
Chance to verfehlen
Passiver Zauber
The question then arises, while this talent can now miss on RG (and returns a miss on both ‘Corruption’ and ‘Shadow Word: Pain’), does it actually apply a NEW DoT effect, instead of REFRESHING the duration of the current snapshotted DoT, making Priests and Warlocks lose their snapshots.
If the above is true, this means the following for Shadow Priests: Stacking Shadow Weaving to 10% and then snapshotting Shadow Word: Pain with Inner Focus (and any other temp crit effect like Wild Magic pot), gives us (raidbuffed) up to 75% crit chance on said spell (SWP). I have not nearly been able to reproduce this amount of crit chance in fully buffed 25 man raids. This supports the following scenario: As soon as I cast my first Mind Flay (after I have applied Shadow Word: Pain with Inner Focus active), the DoT is REAPPLIED instead of REFRESHED. This amounts to a considerable DPS loss.
This scenario is also supported by my raid logs. Fully raid (25M) buffed my current SP has somewhere between 43-45% crit chance on Shadow Word: Pain. With Inner Focus this would amount to 68-70% crit chance for Shadow Word: Pain. Generally speaking, my Shadow Word: Pain critical strikes on 25-man boss fight are anywhere between 42 and 52%. This would be in accordance with my raid buffed crit amount in combination with RNG.
Generally speaking this scenario is less critical for Warlocks, as they do not have a snapshot ability like Inner Focus, and thus also have a less significant DPS loss.
Lastly, I have heard this server has dynamic spell power scaling. Could this bug have something to do with the dynamic spell power scaling that I’ve been hearing about?
Thank you all for your time!
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| 2024-09-13 15_12_08-World of Warcraft.png (18,6 KB) 2024-09-13 15_12_08-World of Warcraft.png | (6% hit from talents) Mind Flay hit and Pain and Suffering miss | ||
| 2024-09-13 15_13_19-World of Warcraft.png (106 KB) 2024-09-13 15_13_19-World of Warcraft.png | (6% hit from talents) Skada tracks the Pain and Suffering misses | ||
| 2024-09-13 15_31_15-World of Warcraft.png (32,6 KB) 2024-09-13 15_31_15-World of Warcraft.png | (15,45% hit from gear + talents) Mind Flay hit and Pain and Suffering miss | ||
| 2024-09-13 15_33_06-World of Warcraft.png (99,2 KB) 2024-09-13 15_33_06-World of Warcraft.png | (15,45% hit from gear + talents) Skada tracks the Pain and Suffering misses | ||
| 2024-09-13 15_26_24-World of Warcraft.png (14,8 KB) 2024-09-13 15_26_24-World of Warcraft.png | (15,45% hit from gear + talents) Mind Flay miss and Pain and Suffering hit |
Von jayydor vor etwa 2 Monaten aktualisiert
you might be right here, i dont know, but your main diagnostic tool, inner focus, should specifically NOT be snapshottable. the next best thing would probably be the nevermelting ice crystal.
Von Jeora vor etwa 2 Monaten aktualisiert
- Status wurde von Neu zu Rückmeldung offen geändert
- Zugewiesen an wurde auf swiftdeath gesetzt
First up: Using the database to get correct info on spells is not a good idea. Although it tries to show DBC data, some of it is interpreted incorrectly. Also, any spell property that doesn't come from the DBC is (probably) not shown at all.
So my first question is: Did you actually observe these spells missing ingame?
You said it "returns a miss on both ‘Corruption’ and ‘Shadow Word: Pain’" which I'm interpreting as the following scenario:
You have SW:P on your target, you cast Mind Flay, Mind Flay hits but SW:P is not refreshed and keeps ticking down
Or did you mean something else? If the above, does that happen while you're hit capped or only while you're not?
The second question is: Are you basing the theory that the dot is reapplied instead of being refreshed solely on your Inner Focus?
As soon as I cast my first Mind Flay (after I have applied Shadow Word: Pain with Inner Focus active), the DoT is REAPPLIED instead of REFRESHED.
--> https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/697544-inner-focus-SWP (e.g.)
Von swiftdeath vor etwa 2 Monaten aktualisiert
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So my first question is: Did you actually observe these spells missing ingame?
You said it "returns a miss on both ‘Corruption’ and ‘Shadow Word: Pain’" which I'm interpreting as the following scenario:
You have SW:P on your target, you cast Mind Flay, Mind Flay hits but SW:P is not refreshed and keeps ticking down
Or did you mean something else? If the above, does that happen while you're hit capped or only while you're not?
From what I've been able to observe, it happens only when you're not hit capped. I performed a few tests on a heroic training dummy one with just the 6% from talents, one with 15,45% hit from talents and gear and one with 17,4% hit from talents and gear.
I've added a few screenshots from the tests with just the 6% from talents and the 15,45% hit from gear and talents. In both cases I've had the talent's passive effect miss, more so in the 6% situation.
In the case of the 17,4% hit (capped) test, I did an 11 min test with about 300 mind flay casts and did it did not return a pain and suffering miss (nor a mind flay miss).
I also observed that if mind flay misses the target, the Pain and Suffering effect is still applied. This is probably logical, since I gain the mind flay aura myself, even though the spell misses the target. I've also added a screenshot showing this scenario.
The second question is: Are you basing the theory that the dot is reapplied instead of being refreshed solely on your Inner Focus?
As soon as I cast my first Mind Flay (after I have applied Shadow Word: Pain with Inner Focus active), the DoT is REAPPLIED instead of REFRESHED.
No, I'm basing this on the fact that the talent's effect can actually miss on RG, which it should not, since it is a passive effect. If this is somehow normal (which I'm sure it is not), this would also apply to a glyphed Pestilence (DK) from example. Glyph of Disease adds a passive effect to Pestilence which refreshes your main target's DoTS. If the same would be true here, Pestilence would hit the target, without refreshing the Diseases on the target. I've personally never had this happen on RG.
--> https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/697544-inner-focus-SWP (e.g.)
Well, I guess I'm wrong here then, this however does not make my ticket invalid. I've always lived under the assumption that this was possible and never had anyone say otherwise, thanks.